Request for Framing assistant

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zerolatitude
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Request for Framing assistant

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Hi,

This is useful especially for mosaics. Currently, I go to NINA, set up the mosaic, get the co-ordinates of the centre of each frame, come back to SC and put in the sequencer. Rotation has to be done manually through trial and error in SC (NINA has a manual rotator, but I much prefer SC for capture).

Would be much nicer to do it all in SC :-)

As far as I can make out, this would need 2 additions to SC
1. Mosaic planning ability. Can this be done through CDC/Stellarium instead of building the whole atlas module in SC again?
2. Rotation identification ability in plate solve to sync between the actual image and the mosaic plan.

Is that feasible / in the plans?

Thanks
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Hi,

thanks for the suggestion - it's not something I have really thought about as I have not really done any mosaic imaging (I don't really have the patience for it - and most of my imaging sessions end up being software test sessions really...).

SharpCap 4.0 will have 'click to center' functionality after you have plate solved - not sure if that will help at all.

I'll have to think about it,

cheers,

Robin
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Re: Request for Framing assistant

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I also avoid mosaics as far as possible :D

But actually the primary use is widefield shots. I just shot Alnitak/Flame/HH and it was a pain to orient the camera properly - that's actually what triggered the comment.

The NINA type implementation is pretty complex, and understand if that's not a priority right now.

The big issue is figuring out which direction is RA +/- and DEC +/-.

So a simpler option that would also be very helpful is to
1. Let user input the RA/DEC co-ordinates of the four (or three actually) corners of the rectangle they want to frame.
2. Plot the rectangle on the camera view after plate-solve
3. User can manually rotate the camera till the sides are parallel to the rectangle. This can be iterated till they are happy with the orientation.

This will at least provide some idea of camera orientation and rotation.
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Hi,

as far as I can work out as soon as you start to rotate the camera, any information that SharpCap has from the plate solving application becomes invalid – SharpCap doesn't have any idea how far the camera is rotated. For something like that to work you'd have to be plate solving every frame.

It may be simpler just to have a way to draw the RA/dec directions on the image after plate solving is complete. With that be helpful?

Cheers, Robin
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Re: Request for Framing assistant

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Hi,

Yes, plate solve would be needed after each manual rotation. Not really every frame - it would be a one time setup (for that session).

For manual rotation, it would go like this:
1. Plate-solve
2. Get orientation info from SC
3. Manually rotate camera
4. Plate-solve again
5. Repeat till within tolerance. Shouldn't take more than 2-3 tries.
6. Shoot as usual.

Coming to your question re directions - yes please. In the absence of a full framing module, RA/DEC arrows showing which direction is increasing and which is decreasing would be very helpful. Presumably that could be done far more quickly.
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Hi,

yes, a direction readout would be much easier to implement - I have just implemented a mode to read-out pixel positions (viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3846) and allow clicking to recenter - adding a direction arrow on this should be quite quick.

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Re: Request for Framing assistant

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Thanks.

I do use the readout feature, but if using for orienting the camera, its a lot of numbers to keep track of especially in the dark :D A visual indicator of N/E will be great.

In the thread, you mentioned possibly superimposing the object view on the image - then the base framing assistant is pretty much taken care of, right?
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